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 Post subject: Best Dynasties That Never Were
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:47 am 
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I wanted to do a small series on the best teams who never won a World Series ring by team.
Let's start with the AL East:
The 1986 Yankees: https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYY/1986.shtml
The team had stars like Rickey Henderson, Don Mattingley, Dave Winfield, and aging Joe Niekro and Ken Griffen Sr.
It failed (by Yankee standards of not winning a WS for a decade) thanks to aging stars and mostly just bad pitching. Their ERA+ is 100, which is actually average and was too mediocre for the Yanks who came to win only 86 games.

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 Post subject: Re: Best Dynasties That Never Were
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Oh yeah, and my thing that I wanted to do is mostly teams that never even won the WS. Mostly like a team that would never have it's core win a WS.
Next is the Red Sox and this one is before all of you were probably born.
The 1941 Boston Red Sox: https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BOS/1941.shtml
This team had stars. Dom DiMaggio was really good(The other Joe DiMaggio's Brother)
It includes Ted Williams who hit .405. He definitely gets like A Contact. Other than those two outfielders, they had Bobby Doer was really good. Oh and Jimmie Foxx is on the *(censored)* team. He hit really good, but homers weren't really a factor at this point. Joe Cronin and Jim Tabor had about 200 RBIs amongst themselves with a batting average over .311(Joe Cronin) and .279 (Jim Tabor). Lou Finney and Frankie Pytlak were there, but anyone who could play in the outfield or as the catcher would be good enough for this team.
It's starters were mediocre and still featured Lefty Grove(who was 41 at the time). Charlie Wagner and Mickey Harris were the only pitchers to keep an ERA in the mid-3s, but Mickey Harris had a 3.28 FIP while Charlie Wagner had a 4.47 FIP so those numbers might vary. Lefty Grove actually had the second best FIP(3.62) despite fielding a 4.62 ERA.
The bullpenn was shit... And probably held them back to only 84 wins.

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 Post subject: Re: Best Dynasties That Never Were
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The 1987 Toronto Blue Jays: https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/TOR/1987.shtml
This team had a good offense again. The team went 96-66, but didn't go to the Playoffs thanks to a 7 game losing streak at the end of the season.
The team held All-Stars. And was very good.
Today, we start with the starters who were very good. They had Dave Stieb who pitched bad for him fielding a 4.09 ERA. This was out of character and pitched great his next year. He pitched a lot of no-hitters, has the most strikeouts, wins and pretty much everything with the Blue Jays.
Phil Niekro pitched... but Jimmy Key and Jim Clancy pitched better. Key had a 2.76 ERA and Clancy had a 3.54 ERA.
Tom Henke was their closer with a 2.54 ERA.
The hitting was good too. OPS+ was 104, which is 4% over the average. Ernie Whitt hit .269 and 19 homeruns as a catcher. The Blue Jays fielded Fred McGriff, George Bell, and Cecil Fielder. Cecil Fielder hit 14 homeruns in a half a season, Fred McGriff hit 20 homeruns in a little bit more of a half a season, and George Bell hit 47 homeruns with a .308 average. George Bell won the MVP and was great. The Blue Jays also fielded Tony Fernandez who hit for a .322 avg and the Blue Jays even had Rance Muliniks who played in 127 games a Utility man!!!! He hit .310.
The team would eventually get to the WS in 1992, but that team was a whole different team. (minus Dave Stieb who pitched a 5.04 ERA).
So who's next. The next team is not the rays, but the Orioles who had some great teams.

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 Post subject: Re: Best Dynasties That Never Were
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The 1960 Baltimore Orioles: https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BAL/1960.shtml
This team had really good young talent. And was very different from the 1966 team(minus Brooks Robinson, but it's Brooks Robinson for god's sakes).
Brooks Robinson was a third baseman who played really good defense. He hit 13 homeruns with a .294 average. Jim Gentile hits a .292 average with 21 homeruns. Ron Hansen hit 22 homeruns at short. Gene Woodling hits .283 at 37...
The staff was very good with not a single starter having a 4 ERA or over. Jack Fisher is good as always, with 197 innings both starting and closing. He fielded a 3.41 ERA and Hoyt Wilhelm had an ERA of 3.31 at 37 and he was a HoF.

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 Post subject: Re: Best Dynasties That Never Were
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The 2008 Tampa Bay Rays: https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/TBR/2008.shtml
This team is the most recent and probably will be the most recent. This team actually reached the WS, but lost. Every starter was above average. It also featured David Price out of the bullpen, and well it's David Price. J.P. Howell, Dan Wheeler, and Grant Balfour got the team a very good bullpenn.
For the offense, it featured FA Dan Johnson, Melvin Upton, Evan Longoria, and Carl Crawford. Ok so Dan Johnson isn't so great, but the three all had great years. Tony Pena hit 31 homers. Cliff Floyd hit 11 homeruns in a half a season and would've hit 22 homeruns if he played 162. Eric Hinske played a big role as a utility man.
I think that's it, because we all know the Rays hopefully from 2008

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 Post subject: Re: Best Dynasties That Never Were
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The AL Central is next
The 1911 Detroit Tigers: https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/DET/1911.shtml
Fielding future HoFs Cobb and Crawford, they almost won the pennant. Cobb hit .420 and 8 HRs and Crawford hit .378 and 7 HRs. They had to pretty much lean on them and pitched their pitchers a lot.
George Mullin and Ed Willet both pitched over 200 innings and both pitched under 4 ERAs. Bill Donovan was the second best pitcher with a 3.31 ERA.(Mullin had the best ERA of 3.03)
Oh yeah, Cobb was the MVP and he's fast and so is Crawford......

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 Post subject: Re: Best Dynasties That Never Were
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The 1972 White Sox are next. : https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/1972.shtml
Led by Wilbur Wood's 376.2 innings and 2.51 ERA, he was one of three starters in 1972 who pitched 40 starts or more. Tom Bradley started 40 times with a 2.98 ERA and Stan Bahnsen started 41 times with a 3.60 ERA. Their worst pitcher was HoF Rich Gossage who fielded a 4.28 ERA. Closer Terry Forster had 100 Innings and a 2.28 ERA.

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The 1980 Kansas City Royals: https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/KCR/1980.shtml
Led by George Brett and his .390 average. (he held a .400 average until the last three weeks of the season), the Royals played great. Well George Brett did, but the Royals offense atleast was able to get a 108 OPS+ mostly thanks to Brett's 203 OPS+.Their pitching was led to Larry Gura with his 136 ERA+ and his 283.1 innings. Dan Quisenberry led the bullpen with 128.1 innings and a 3.09 ERA. The rest of their pitchers were mediocre getting an ERA+ of 105.
This team is barely related to the 1985 Kansas City Royals as Dan Quisenberry and George Brett are the only ones on both teams.

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The 1969 Minnesota Twins are next: https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/MIN/1969.shtml
We could've used the 1933 Washington Senators(which led to the Twins), but that team actually involved most of the guys who won the WS in 1924 and were led by three future HoFs Goose Goslin, Henie Manush, and Joe Cronin.
The 1969 team was led by two HoFs Rod Carew and Harmon Killebrew. Harmon Killebrew had an MVP season with his 49 Homeruns and 130 RBIs. Rod Carew had a .332 average and had a .386 OBP. Rich Reese had a good year that year fielding a .332 average and 16 homeruns. Tony Oliva hit 24 homeruns and .309 average. Jim Perry had a good year with 36 starts. He had a 2.82 ERA and had 12 complete games, 3 of which became shutouts. Dave Boswell had a 3.23 ERA and 256.1 innings. Closer Ron Perranoski had a 2.11 ERA with his 119.2 innings and his 31 saves.

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 Post subject: Re: Best Dynasties That Never Were
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The 1940 Cleveland Indians are next
Led by future HoFs Lou Boudreau and Bob Feller, the 1940 Indians were a great team. Bob Feller got the Triple Crowns thanks to his dominant fastball. He was backed up by Al Milnar with a 3.27 ERA and 242.2 innings. Bob Feller pitched 320.1 innings with only 261 strikeouts. To put that in perspective, Chris Sale has done the same in 214.1 innings. Which is an insane rate for Sale and pretty much any pitcher ever. Period. Mel Harder was the worst starter with his 4.06 ERA, but would come back two years later with a 3.44 ERA and never go over a 4 ERA again in his career(except his last year with a 4.5 ERA). The other two starters both pitched 3.44 ERAs and the bullpenn was bad.
Hal Trosky was the team's first baseman and hit for .295 with 25 homers. Lou Boudreau hit for a .295 average again with 46 doubles.

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 Post subject: Re: Best Dynasties That Never Were
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The 1982 California Angels are next
What a shitty team. Like I probably could've used a better team, but this team was even shitty. Even the 2014 Los Angeles Angels(oh this year's team was pretty good too, but Mike Trout is obviously the worst player ever) were mostly better. But the Angels do not really have a huge history of winning so i don't really blame this being really their best season without a world series.
But if you like offense, this team was great. Only two starters had an OPS+ under the average 100(Bob Boone and Tom Foli), their stars were their Reggie Jackson and Freddy Lynn. Doug DeCinces and Brian Downing seemed to have great seasons. Rod Carew and Bobby Grich played some of their final years in excellency. Not a single starter had an ERA+ of under 120. The pitching was mediocre. But the bullpen was better. Doug Corbett also had a 5.05 ERA which had 8 saves and was their closer. Bruce Kison was more of a starter/reliever, but he was better. He had a 3.17 ERA and almost made qualifying.

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The 2002 Oakland Athletics are the most competent team next
The things with the Athletics are either they are the worst team in the MLB, or the best team in the MLB.
So the pitching is good led by Hudson and Zito with Mulder, Lidle, Harang, Koch, and Bradford as good pieces. As for the hitting, it was about average. Terrence Long was the worst batter on the team(well Ramon Hernandez was just on a bad year. Actually he was an all-star the year after.) The team batting wise was led by Tejada and Chavez with David Justice, Scott Hatteberg, Jermaine Dye, and Ray Durham in supporting roles. This team was solid.

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The 2001 Texas Rangers Are Next
This team is scary. The batting is atleast. Ivan Rodriguez, Rafael Palmeiro, Alex Rodriguez and Mike Lamb, Frank Catalanotto, Gabe Kepler, and Ruben Sierra. Micheal Young was also beginning to start to get good and Ricky Ledee was just plain old bad, but the team was good. Well atleast their offense was. Their pitching is fishy. Their best pitcher was Jeff Zimmerman who disappeared after 2001. Doug Davis was the only pitcher above average and had an ERA+ of 105 with an ERA of 4.45!
The pitching was bad, but the offense was great and that's why they are here. Like seriously if they weren't on steroids that much they would have like 3 HoFs(counting Ivan Rodriguez)

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The 2001 Seattle Mariners
I hate doing this. Their are some great Mariners's teams. 1995 was great, 1997 was better, but 2001 was just a whole other story.
But with 2001, what do we talk about?
The pitching is good. And that's about it. No real good player, but it's good. As for the team, it was fine and good enough. The offense was better. David Bell was ok and he would've been better. Bret Boone had his best year ever, and well it's *(censored)* Ichiro. They still had Edgar, Mike Cameron had a career year, Carlos Gullien had an average-down year, Olerud played good, and Dan WIlson is a catcher so he stinks.
2000 is a contender, but I would rather have Gullien and Bret Boone than just A-Rod with some random short stop. Oh yeah and you have no Ichiro so a worst outfield and everything.

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The 2005 Houston Astros
The Astros, had the best pitching staff I've ever seen. Roy Oswalt, Andy Pettite, and Roger Clemens. Hitting was older. Berkman was in his prime. So was Ensberg. Biggio and Lane was the only guys who hit over average, but if they had anything better on the hitting side they would be a dynasty no doubt.

The 1991 team was real good though: https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/HOU/1991.shtml
Full of future HoFs, but their pitching staff scared me too much. They would have had four HoFs, Craig Biggio, Jeff Bagwell, Ken Cammiti(if he didn't take steroids, and Luis Gonzalez is a borderline.
So in the end should I use this team. no, because when your second best pitcher has an ERA of 4.49 you really aren't a dynasty.

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