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Bay better not sign with the Mets.

Bay doesnt want to be in newyork but he is a good player.

He's too good of a player for the dirty old Mets. The Sox need to net someone's first round pick and the supplemental round pick, not just the supplemental round one.

Bay still has a chance to come back to Boston though.

But I really hope he doesn't if it means trading Ellsbury. Ellsbury's my favorite player and we have an old team with no speed without him
You'll take away a guy who stole 70 bags last year and is like 25 or 26 years old and plays gold glove defense, and he hit .300.

If Ellsbury is traded then it's for Adrian Gonzalez. I would love him but we would be giving up a lot of young talent which the Red Sox don't really have, they have too many guys on their roster over 30

Well the sox are making a deal with Bay. But no other team has not made a for hom except for the mets.

Bay's asking for too much

He hits a lot of homeruns every year and plays good defense but he hits for a relatively low average and strikes out ALOT

And he is a type A free agent in the Hot Stove tracker.

The Red Sox have a ton of talent in their farm system. Is it all major league ready talent? No, even Theo Epstein acknowledges that. The problem with getting Gonzalez, however, is that San Diego currently has Boston's old assistant GM as their General Manager and Boston's previous Amateur Scouting Director as their Assistant GM.

Right now, I'd say if you want that power hitting first baseman... try and trade for Berkman. He's on the older side with a higher contract and all, but he'd be a better option than shelling out Ryan Westmoreland, Clay, and Casey Kelly for one player.

EDIT: Just realized I put Berkman there. While he's a viable option at first for the Sox, I meant to put Miguel. Miguel like to drink and all, but he's still one of the premier first baseman in the game. If you check fangraphs, he ranks right up there with the devil, Mark Teixiera.



That's all fine and dandy. I like Bay as a person and a player, but I'd much rather have Drew in right, Cameron in center, and Jacoby in left than sign Bay to an astronomical contract of 4 years and 60 million (or more) when 2010 will have an excellent free agent class.



I wouldn't say Bay has good defense. That's a bit of a stretch. I'd rather have Adam Lind in left than Bay, and Lind isn't a good defender either, but his UZR is slightly higher. I do realize that Fenway has funky dimensions, but I still wouldn't trust Bay in left in a crucial playoff game. I really, really wouldn't.

As for Bay's asking price, that's what you get when you have a greedy agent. The Sox gave him the best offer thus far. Just like they gave Holliday the best offer thus far, as well. Are either of them in a Red Sox uniform right now? No. Look at who they have as agents.

Well but the mets just signed Escober for a 1year deal werth 1.25million.

Escobar is a recreation project. The last thing Sox fans wanted was Epstein signing old or battered pitchers who were good once, but are no more than deadweight currently. If the Mets want to take the risk on Kelvim's glass arm, let them be my guest. I'm glad I'm not a fan of the Metropolitans because outside their significantly raw farm and a few gems like David Wright and Jose Reyes, they aren't really anything special.

True, True. You got a point there.

Thats pretty ignorant. When you say "raw farm" do you mean it is bad? This is not true. Sure, we don't have any uber prospects like Jason Hayward or Madison Bumgarner and we don't have any fringe guys who are ready to make an impact like Buster Posey or Brett Wallace, but we have a bunch of guys in our lower and mid levels of the minors with very good projections. Jennry Mejia is in AA I believe and he is probably 2 or 3 years away from a major league career but he projects to be a good number 2 starter, possibly an ace if he can work on his control a little bit. Ike Davis should be ready to take over first base in 2011 and he is going to be a very good hitter who might be able to hit 30 HR a year. Brad Holt can throw in the mid nineties and he has a good changeup and good control. Josh Thole is a catcher who will be in AAA this year and ready to help out in 2011 as well who will hit over.300 easily. I could go on and on but I don't want to bore you guys.

And we have more in the majors than "a few gems". There is Wright and Reyes like you mentioned. We have Carlos Beltran who is probably in the top 3 center fielders in the game. We have Johan Santana who is one of the best 3 starting pitchers in baseball in my opinion. We have Francisco Rodriguez who although coming off a bad year is easily one of the best closers in baseball. We have John Maine, Mike Pelfrey and Oliver Perez who all had off years in 2009 but had great years in 2008 and can easily bounce back to give the Mets a very solid rotation. We have Luis Castillo who has a knack for taking pitches and working the count. We have arguably the best lefty specialist in the game in Pedro Feliciano. We have the grittiest players in Francoeur, Santos, Cora, and Murphy who will always give 110% and play good baseball. We had a terrible 2009 season but that was because everyone was getting hurt. I guarantee you the Mets will not be as bad this year as they were last year.

Still the mets pitchers need to work on there pitching and change up because moslty they are pitching is bad.
Mike Pelfrey he is a good pitcher but he kindof sucks. He was 10-12 with a 5.03. ERA
Oliver Perez really needs to work on his pitcher.
And Santanna had a injury that ended his season with the met


Now the mets need to make some plans.

The Mets have a good farm system, but the talent that is their is raw. Raw means to be lacking of experience; not that it sucks in any way. Also, offensive ability behind the plate is always the least of my concerns. Why? A catcher who allows two to three pass balls a game or drops the ball a lot is of no value to me. And again, few means you don't have many but you have more than one. I named Wright and Reyes because when I think Mets, they are the first two to come to mind. I'm not knocking Santana's talent. He's one of, if not the, best pitcher(s) in the game. Who do I rank ahead of Santana? Nobody, but Roy Halladay is a very, very close second.

Maine... had a great year in 2008? The dude pitched 140 innings with an FIP of 4.40. He only had a near four ERA because of defense. As you can read around the net, Maine's year to shine was 2009. If he doesn't blossom this year, I'd say his career over and done with -- he'll never amount to be anything other than an average MLB pitcher. Perez isn't anything special either. He's the same case as Maine, for the most part only his FIP was closer to five.

EDIT: Mets signed Bay, the deal is pending physicals though.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/m ... -week.html

I think, correct me if I am wrong, Boston gets the #37 and #59 overall picks if this deal goes through. Bay at four years and sixty-six million... well, that's just a miserable contract. You guys [Mets fans] will be complaining about his horrid defense.

Bay signs with Mets. 4 Years/66 million. Physical Pending.

IMO, his offensive numbers will slighly decrease. He plays in the NL East and will not face Sabathia or Burnett or Shields etc. However, he still faces Halladay and there is also the Atlanta Braves pitching and there is Josh Johnson from the Marlins. Being in Citi Field, his offensive numbers will definitely decrease and the pitching is nuturalised in a way. His defensive numbers will definitely suffer as LF in Citi Field is bigger than in Fenway Park. There are obviously more stats into this, but I'll not go into the details.

This signing is way overvalued for the Mets. Bay doesn't deserve 16.5 million a year for subpar defense and 1 1/2 good offensive years.